Kinder goats

Breeds of Livestock - Kinder Goats


The fall of 1985 found the Showalters of Zederkamm Farm, Snohomish, Washington in a bind. Their old Nubian buck had died and left their two Nubian does without a mate. True, they had other goats including several Pygmies and the Pygmy buck was eager to be of help. So they bred the Nubians to the little fellow and in the spring of 1986 three little doe kids were born, the first Kinders. One, called Liberty, stayed at Zederkamm Farm, one was placed with a 4-H girl and the other went to live with Teresa Hill, a nearby goat enthusiast.

Liberty turned into a delightful goat with a charming personality, delightfully rich, sweet milk and the ability to produce three to six kids every year. More crosses were made, this time in a deliberate attempt to produce more of these moderate sized, highly efficient diary goats. Teresa Hill saw the potential of these goats with their smaller size, high feed conversion efficiency, rich milk and easy fleshing. Along with two other local Snohomish ladies, Daralyn Hollenbeck and Kathy Gilmore, Teresa launched an organization to register and promote this new, dual-purpose breed of goats. Initial publicity found a ready interest among goat fanciers around the country and now over 50 herd names and many hundreds of goats are registered with the Kinder Goat Breeders Association.

The Kinder goat, as it has evolved, is a joy to milk and an ideal small homestead milk producer. Though smaller, Kinder goats are required to meet the same standards of production to be eligible for star milker awards as their larger counterparts registered by the American Dairy Goat Association. With a base production of 1,500 pounds of milk and/or 52.5 pounds of butterfat in 305 days or less, freshening at 2 years or less in age, these hard working little animals stand up well in comparison. The original, Zederkamm Liberty, has a 305-day record starting at 3 years and 6 months of age of 1,730 pounds of milk and 115 pounds of butterfat.

kinder1.jpg Since the breed is being developed as a dual purpose breed, it is also important to note that the wethers (does as well) make extremely desirable meat animals. Usually born weighing 4 or 5 pounds, they grow rapidly at a rate of about 7 pounds per month. Recently some 6-month-old wethers were slaughtered weighing about 50 pounds and dressing out at 30 pounds. This makes the dressing percentage a very favorable 60 percent. Older wethers have an even higher dressing percentage with some 14-month-old wethers having a live weight of 80 pounds and a carcass weight of 50 pounds - a dressing percentage of nearly 63 percent.

It is easily possible for a Kinder doe weighing about 115 pounds to produce five kids who in 14 months can weigh 80 pounds each and dress out at 50 pounds thereby producing 250 pounds of meat each year.


The photographs and information contained on this page are provided courtesy of the Kinder Goat Breeders Association, P.O. Box 1575, Snohomish, WA 98291-1575


Getting Started

Now that you’ve decided that Kinders are the right goat for you, you are probably a bit impatient to get started. Below are explanations of how to proceed.

Goals & Expectations

While Kinders are amazing little goats that often thrive on less than their full sized cousins, they still need good shelter, feed and care. Please see our “caring for your Kinder goat” page to prepare for the arrival of your new goats.

In your search for Kinders, set realistic goals: starting with just two or three does and finding a buck nearby for breeding will make the transition to goat owning go more smoothly than tyring to start with a herd of twenty goats. Setting realistic goals for breeding, selling and improving you herd will ensure your success. This is also true when setting your expectations – expecting to get a gallon of milk for each of your does while feeding no grain is not realistic, and will make your search and future breeding results very disappointing. Instead, focus first on the conformation and health of the goats you are buying. If your goats are healthy and conformationally sound, good care and feed will yield excellent results in kid growth and milk production.  

Since the Kinder is a dual purpose goat, emphasis should not be focused too heavily on either the milk or meat aspect, but rather on a goat that encompasses both. Whether you decide to purchase Kinders from an established breeder or start your own lines, be sure that the goats you purchase are healthy and free of disease. Some diseases are not outwardly obvious, but can be detrimental to your herd and remain on your property for decades. Remember – education is the best protection!  

The Association recommends that your very first animals be tested for Caprine Arthritis Encephalitis (CAE). It is also recommended that a regular annual testing program be established to ensure that your herd remains free from CAE. If you wish further information on common goat diseases, please see the Articles section of the KGBA website.

Starting From Scratch

The Kinder breed originated by crossing a Nubian dam with a Pygmy buck. To this day, breeders continue to re-create the cross to bring new genetics to the wider Kinder gene pool, or to start a Kinder herd when established lines are not readily available.

The only criteria in this venture is that the Nubian is registered as purebred or 100% American through American Dairy Goat Association (ADGA), American Goat Society (AGS), or the Canadian Goat Society (CGS), that the Pygmy is registered with the National Pygmy Association (NPGA), American Goat Society (AGS) or the Canadian Goat Society (CGS) and can show proper documentation of ownership, lease, or breeding rights on both parents. The crossing of these two registered breeds result in first generation Kinders. After this initial breeding the Kinder is bred within their own breed. The harder question is, what criteria should be used when selecting the individuals? While the KGBA makes no ruling on the specific type you can use, we do have the following recommendations;


This breed provides the Dairy aspect of the Kinder’s dual purpose nature. They should have the basics of conformation down pat. They should be long bodied, deep and wide. You want a doe who has great capacity for holding multiple kids easily during pregnancy, with lots of room for a full rumen, to fuel high milk production and stay well fleshed. They should have strong, level backs and wide, flat rumps. Rumps should be long and level from hip to pin, and wide and level thurl to thurl. Chests should be wide and deep, with good extension of brisket, and increasing depth of body. Legs should be straight, with tight short pasterns, and tight toes pointing straight forward. Udders should be very high, wide and tightly attached in the rear, with a strong medial, and long smooth foreudder. It should be capacious, and she should produce large amounts of milk with ease. ADGA provides 
performance programs that many breeders partake in. If you can, look for high LA (Linear Appraisal) scores and DHIR milk records.  As far as type goes, you want a heavier, more robust doe that has adequate muscling. Stay away from delicate, refined, or “twig like” does. You want a hardworking girl that can contribute to the dual purpose nature of their Kinder kids, and not give you excessive dairyness you’ll need to breed out later. Stay away 
from selecting an animal based on color.


These little guys will add the meat qualities and medium size our Kinders should be known for. Look for a buck that is long bodied, and as level as possible. Many Pygmies will have great width and depth, but it’s important to include plenty of length in the equation, for appropriate body capacity. You want as long and level a rump as you can find. Pygmies are often short and steep hip to pin, and sloping thurl to thurl. Be picky, and keep in mind that correct toplines and rump structure are crucial in their Kinder offspring. You want the same straight legs and feet as with the Nubians, with short and strong pasterns that won’t deteriorate with age. Chests should be wide and deep with a brisket that extends well past the point of the shoulder, wide and muscular loins, and wide and arched rear assembly.
Udders are not a focus in the Pygmy breed and should be evaluated carefully. Inspect any buck, and as many relatives as you can access, for teat defects (spurs, double teats, extra orifices, etc) and avoid family lines displaying those faults. Udders on female family members should be held up tightly above their hocks, wide and tight rear attachments, noticeable medial, and smooth foreudder blending into her belly. Additionally, Pygmies often have difficulty kidding, so try to find a line that kid easily without medical intervention.

While there is no perfect animal, these tips should assist in your venture to creating the most conformationally correct Kinder kids, with appropriate breed type. As always, selective breeding and culling practices should be maintained for 1st generation kids, and beyond.

As with any breed, take care to select animals from clean, tested herds, that are in good health and condition. If a seller advertises that they test for diseases, they will never be offended if you ask for copies of their results.

Available Information

The Kinder Goat Breeders Association Breed Standard, Kinder Scorecard, and registration information are all available on this website, and are very useful tools that can be used while choosing new goats and during future breeding and culling decisions.

Harvey Considine’s book “Dairy Goats for Pleasure and Profit” contains a section on Kinders, and it is an excellent reference for all kinds of goat questions. “The Illustrated Standard of the Dairy Goat” by Nancy Lee Owen, and “Dairy Goat Judging Techniques” by Harvey Considine and George W. Trimberger are also excellent resources that will help you learn how to evaluate your goats.

These information sources will give you the essentials to help you make wise breeding decisions as you build your Kinders. Your first Kinders, realistically, will not be perfect. You will find good characteristics in each animal, but not any one of them will have it all. Begin with the very best animals you can afford, and work up from there.

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Kinder Goats

Episode 7

For the Love of Goats


If you are still trying to decide which breed of goat to raise, or if you’re looking to add another breed to your farm, you might consider kinder goats. They were originally a cross between a pygmy and a Nubian, but today they are their own breed with their own breeder’s association. In this episode, I’m talking to Sue Beck, president of the Kinder Goat Breeders Association, who has been raising kinders for 12 years. 

She talks about the milk, the meat, the myths, and the misconceptions that people have, and we also talk about the lure of getting goats from lines that tend to throw quadruplets or quintuplets.

And if you’ve ever said that you couldn’t eat meat from an animal that you knew when it was alive, Sue has a solution for you! 

For more information on kinder goats

Kinder Goat Breeders Association

KGBA Facebook page

Kinders: A Dual-Purpose Goat Breed — a guest post written by Sue Beck

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For The Love Of Goats. We are talking about everything goat. Whether you’re a goat owner, a breeder or just a fan of these wonderful creatures we’ve got you covered.

This episode is brought to you by Standlee Premium Western Forage. And now here’s Deborah Neiman. 

Hello, everyone and welcome back to another episode. Today I’m really excited that I am talking with Sue Beck of the Kinder Goat Breeders Association and we’re gonna be talking about these wonderful goats that she raises. I first met her in Wisconsin at a Mother Earth news fair several years ago, like 4 or 5 years ago and that is the first time I actually got to meet kinders in person. And I think that I might actually be a kinder breeder if I had discovered them before discovering Nigerians. But don’t tell my goats that, because they’re just so cute and I love the smaller size.

Deborah – So welcome, Sue.
Sue – Thank you so much. I’m thrilled to be here.
Deborah – So I’m sure the first question on everybody’s mind is what exactly is a kinder goat? I know a lot of people have not heard of them. So what is a kinder and why did you decide to breed them instead of something else?
Sue – Um, that’s a fantastic question. Kinder goats are a dual purpose, medium sized goat. Many people think of them as kind of a cross bred goat. That’s a cross between a Nubian and a pygmy, and that is actually what they began as. But they are considered their own breed. Now we have our own association. Um, and we’ve been around since 1986. Our goats are really just a perfect dual goat. They’re mid sized, they average about 115 to 135 lb at maturity. But that weight is in a short body. So they’re really short and stocky, which equates to good meat conversion. They grow fast and they only reach at maturity around 24 to 26 inches for the does. Our maximum height for bucks is 28 inches. Basically they’ve got a body that’s about … I would say their body is just a compact, full sized goat. So they’re easier for people to handle if you’re doing things on your own. And that’s actually what really got me interested in them is that I had small children at home and wanted a goat that I could handle myself and bucks that I could handle myself, that I could throw into my car if I had to and take to the vet without special equipment. And that weren’t going to be dangerous for my children if they were out helping me with things. So that was my biggest draw to the kinder goat. The thing that made me look into kinder goats in the first place was that I wanted to milk goats. I was concerned about the health of my children, I tried to do everything as naturally as possible, and I wanted to give my children as much natural food as I could and the easiest way for me to do that was to know what was going into our food in the first place while it was growing. So I was raising chickens, turkeys, and I got the goats to add milk and meat to that equation. And then when I first started researching the goats, I initially was looking for the milk aspect, but then realized that if I wanted milk, I was going to have extra babies. And in reality, there aren’t enough pet homes for all the little baby boy goats out there. And a lot of people that want pet goats aren’t really the greatest option for them. So I chose a goat that I could give a short, happy life, to, and then use for meat purposes as well.

4:32 Deborah – Mmm. How old were your children when you got the goats?

Sue – My oldest son was four. And my daughter was two so they were very little. My oldest one, the first 2 goats that we got, he sat out there every day to get them tame because they were a little bit wild when we got them. And they were really great. He could handle them. My oldest son was four years old, and I spent lots of time with them when he was little. And had no problem handling them. He never got hurt. He played with the babies. They really ended up being a great experience for all the kids.

5:25 Deborah – That’s awesome. Yeah, especially if they were that small because that would be easy for them to get hurt if the goats were big and not super friendly.

5:34  Sue – Yeah, I had horses when … Well, I’ve had horses throughout my kids’ lives. But when my kids were little, I had to move them from my home to a boarding facility because it just seems so dangerous if one of the kids got out into the field, they are so far below their line of vision that it scared me. So the goats were perfect. They were able to keep the grass and weeds and growth from taking over in the field and also gave us something in return.

6:07 Deborah – Awesome. So let’s talk about the milk a little bit, since that was the first thing that drew you to them. Exactly how much milk do they average? And I know there’s a curve. So, you know, people always try to get a number, but if so, feel free to, really nerd out on us here and talk about, like, where do they peak? And then where do they level off? And, you know, feel free to just get really detailed on this.

6:31 Sue – Okay. Perfect. So most goats if you’ve never had goats before, there is a period where goats increase in milk quantity and production, and their milk production is also based on how many babies they have. Some people now believe it is also based on the buck that they are bred, too. But I think the most important aspects there, how many freshinings they’ve had, how many babies they have and what they’re fed, their basic care. If they’re healthy, they’re gonna produce more milk. If they’re fed well, they’re obviously gonna produce more milk. One of the misconceptions about kinder goats is that you, as a homesteading goat, you can put these goats out in your field and that they will make a ton of milk and feed babies and lots of meat. The babies will grow very quickly and give you lots of meat, and you don’t really have to feed them that much. And that’s not really true. So I do like to tell people that you get out what you put in. First fresheners usually make less than they will in following years. So as a first freshener, which is the first time that they kid, you can generally expect if you’re milking twice a day to get between 3 and 4 pounds of milk. So that’s about a little bit under 2 half a gallons of milk, per goat, per day, milking twice today. Then in their second freshening, they will produce more, and they continue to produce more every freshening for the first 3 or 4 freshenings, and then they kind of level off. But by the second freshening, you should be able to expect between 4 and 8 lb of milk. So anywhere from half a gallon to a gallon of milk is the expectation from a kinder goat. The nice thing about that is that, although you do have to feed them, they don’t eat as much as, say, a full size milking goat. So, most people do grain their goats, but not nearly as much as a full sized goat. And they do get almost as much milk as you would get from an average full sized milking goat like a Nubian or possibly an Alpine. Saanens make more, I think but they do take a lot more resources to make that milk. The benefit to kinder goat milk is like Nigerians their milk is extremely high in butter fat, so it tastes much more like cows milk that people are accustomed to then some of the higher producing dairy goats like Saanens. When people do taste test between the two milks certainly the bigger full sized dairy goats that produce quite a bit of milk tend to have more of a goat-y flavor to their milk whereas kinder goat milk really is very sweet and creamy and you can barely taste the difference between that and whole cow milk. So that was certainly a benefit to me. I tell people the story that I got my goats sight unseen from someone in Missouri and had them scheduled to arrive after they were old enough to leave their moms. And in the meantime, I went to Whole Foods and got some milk to try because I have never had goats milk before. And it was the worst milk I ever had and I was really scared that that’s what I had signed up for. And when I finally did milk my goats, I was very, very surprised at how good it is. It’s nothing like store bought goat milk I can say.

10:40 Deborah – Yeah, I’ve never tried store bought go milk because I have heard from so many people that it tastes terrible. And people like you who said that they almost didn’t get goats because they thought it was going to taste like the store bought milk and then they heard something like, a lot people have gotten Nigerians to because they’ve got the higher butterfat, you know that, like, well, I heard that it would taste better, so I figured, well, just take a shot and see what happens. And then they’re so excited that it tastes really good.

11:15 Sue – Yeah, it is. It’s really surprising. And we drink our goat milk raw so it’s super easy, but it’s surprising how long it stays tasting good, too. I mean, people say that it will start tasting goat-y after a while, but it takes quite a while. We never have a problem, and we, with our family, we go through all the milk that we get, no matter how many goats we have in milk because we make cheese and ice cream. And soap, and yogurt. So we’ve always got a use for it. So it’s wonderful.

11:53 Deborah – You butcher them. And then about how much meat do you get from one?

12:00 Sue – That’s a great question. Again, this is one of those things that when you look at the numbers online and you hear about numbers from people it’s a little bit confusing, because when people talk about dress out numbers or final numbers, they give you a percentage. And, for example, kinder goats have a dress out weight of between 60 and 70%. But that’s not 60 to 70lb from a 100 lb goat. And I think some people are very surprised by that. So one of the biggest things that I tried to do is educate people and make sure that their expectations are realistic when they get any kind of goat. And realistically speaking with goats, you certainly aren’t going to get the hundreds of pounds that you get with a cow because they’re only 100lb to start out with. Basically, with our goats, we expect them to reach 70% of their full size by the time they’re about a year old. So you can expect because they average 115 to 135 at full size, you could expect a year old goat to be close to 100lb certainly. And with that size, if you take a 100lb goat, the actual weight of what you get back does depend on the cuts. So some people like to butcher goats and leave bones in like, leg of lamb. Or, you know, leg of goat in this case, and other big roasts. Other people just take them in and have everything made into ground meat, like sausages. If you took everything out and just got it back as ground meat, I think you could realistically expect to get about anywhere from 35 to 40lb of meat off of a goat. Which doesn’t doesn’t seem like a lot. But when you actually do the math, it’s quite good. It’s quite a good conversion rate. And the cost when you figure out the cost compared to buying the equivalent in the store quality meat, you come out ahead.

14:31  Deborah – Yeah, One of the things I always think about to, when I’m thinking about how much I get is like if you’ve got 35 to 40lb if you have it once a week, then that’s enough to last you for, you know, about 2/3 of a year. So that’s a lot of goat meat.

14:49 Sue – Yeah, it’s a really good point and depending on what your goals are if you’re selling it, I know quite a few people in the US are now getting interested in using more goat meat. There are a lot of restaurants here near where I live. I live between Milwaukee and Chicago, and there’s some fantastic restaurants that are based on meals made by goats. Not made by goats, made with goat. Using you know, they incorporate the cheese and the meat into the products, and they’re paying a premium price for goat meat right now. So it’s not just what you can use yourself. But really, the market has increased so much in the last few years that we’re sometimes getting, I’m not sure exactly what it is right now, but I know people have been getting between $3 and $4 a pound for live goats. Which means you can get, you know, between $300 and $400 for a goat that is a year old, and that is with really no advertising. It’s just taking it to a sale barn. Very little work once, you know, once they’re born and then you basically you’re just taking care of him the way with the rest of your herd.

16:18 Deborah – I think we charge $6 a pound hanging weight for goats, which, of course, is gonna be less because you’re talking about the weight as 60-70%. So it sounds cheaper, but really, it comes out to about the same thing. You know, the same thing you were saying about, like, $4 a pound live weight.

16:37 Sue – Yeah. There are people who are now actually starting to breed kinders just for meat. They really did start out as a homesteading goat that people were using as backyard goats to feed their family and to supply the family with milk and soap and cheese and ice cream. But with the influx in interest in goat meat we have had a few people begin to use them strictly as meat goats and get basically build big herds just for that. We’ve also had quite a few people contact us and purchase kinder bucks to use with their boer herds to increase the production of babies, because what they’ve been seeing is that using kinder bucks and then keeping the kinder boer crosses they can maintain the larger size because they don’t want the smaller size that we have, but they can maintain the larger size. They can maintain the muscling, but they increase milk production in their does which helps the baby’s grow faster.

17:54 Deborah – Oh, that sounds fascinating,

17:57 Sue – So we really are expanding into the meat side of the market quite a bit more now, and people are really happy with the growth. They’re, generally speaking,I would say this is a huge stereotype or generalization, but from what I’ve heard and the feedback I’ve had they do tend to be better mothers than boer goats, they do make more milk than a lot of boer goats, not that I have anything against boers, but just as a comparison they don’t make, as you know, they’re not as big when they’re full grown, but they are easier for a lot of people to handle. So the people that we’re seeing get into these kinder goats as meat goat herds tend to be more women that are interested in doing this as a full time job, or as something that they do on the side until they retire and then move into It is a full time retirement option, and it’s working really well for them because of their smaller size, ease of care, they can feed themselves they’re not goats that have to be dewormed every six or eight weeks, as a rule, they are pretty hardy, and they’re really great moms. Most of my goats have triplets regularly and they take care of all of them without me having to supplement. I have girls that do have quads on a regular basis that I don’t need to supplement. I have supplemented one. One of my does had five babies a few years ago, and I supplemented those babies because she just couldn’t keep up. But as long as they have good feed they can take care of quite a few babies and do a good job of it. And I’ve never had a baby lost, not one. And I leave them with moms all the time. So I think that says something about their care?

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Deborah – You’ve mentioned quite a few misconceptions and myths already that you hear from people that you’ve corrected in the podcast so far, which is great. Are there any other misconceptions people call or email you with some idea about kinders that just turns out to be completely wrong, that you’d want to correct? 

20:49 Sue – The big things are just that yeah, people want goats that they don’t have to care for basically. That is sometimes I’m sure across the board. You know, every breed probably has people looking for goats, so they don’t have to deworm or feed or, you know, basically take care of. And that’s not ever gonna be the case with any animal, but people in general I hear the feedback and I get that people are really surprised by how friendly kinder goats are. How not aggressive they are, how well they get along in a herd. In fact, just this year I’ve had a number of people call me, and in our conversations they’ve asked me how I handle integrating bucks with one another because my bucks all live together. And I just put them in together. I mean, I put my 10 week old babies when I separate them from moms they go in with the big boys and everybody’s nice. And people are really surprised at that. At their personality. That we can just go out and get a buck and take him out on a leash and they’re really well behaved. I’ve never had a problem with an aggressive buck at my farm. And I’ve been doing this for 12 years. So yeah, and the same thing with the girls. I think people are surprised by their personalities. They really have quirky little personalities, and they really do end up being almost more like dogs than like livestock in a lot of ways.

22:23 Deborah – Yeah, I said for years that I could never eat a goat because they were so much like dogs. I just kind of felt like I had these vegetarian pet dogs that I happened to be able to milk. And, then one year we wound up with 29 bucklings, and as you said, you can’t always sell all of them as pets. And that is exactly what happened when we had 29 bucklings.

22:52 Sue – Yeah, it’s hard.

22:55 Deborah – So I think we were eight or nine years into it when that happened.

23:00 Sue – Oh, and it doesn’t get easier does it?  I think we’ve been in it years and years and years, and it’s still the most difficult thing.

23:10 Deborah – Yeah, and it’s funny. I think I had a buck that was born. He’s three years old now. He’s a wether now it’s really funny because I think he knew that the extras got eaten because he was insanely friendly. Like he always walked up to me and, like, looked up at me like you love me, don’t you? And I, and I still have him he’s three years old, 3-4 years old now. Basically, his job is like the new wether of the herd. He’s out there. He’s my heat detector. Lets me know when the girls were in heat and things like that. I have a fence jumping buck right now who I keep catching. I caught him out there with a doe that’s like 10 years old and shouldn’t be bred again. And she’s flagging. And I’m like, No! And it’s like, all right, you are getting locked in the barn for an indeterminate amount of time. So the wether is in there is his companion.

24:19 Sue – It’s really nice having one or two miscellaneous goat. I’ve got some girls that are retired, my girls that have worked for me for years. Same thing. They just get to hang out and relax. If I can find him a pet home, great. But finding pet homes that are going to keep goats for their lifetime and actually want to spend time with them after their kids get older, I think it’s hard.  There’s a balance where you have to find people that understand livestock so I can understand that they are livestock. They’re not gonna be, although they act like dogs, they’re not dogs. They’re not gonna be happy in your house or by themselves in a doghouse in your backyard. And at the same time you want them to be loved like a dog so it’s hard. I’ve had really good luck finding people that want weed eaters so they have a job. They’ve got a purpose out there eating all the underbrush and the stuff these people don’t want, but they’re also treated as pets, and that’s been the best option for finding homes for wethers. It’s hard but what I found a little bit easier, I’m lucky enough to have a few other people nearby that raise kinders as well as me, and one really nice thing to do is find somebody that’s willing to swap with you at the end of the summer. So you don’t have your goats. It’s easier if I don’t know the goat, it’s easier than putting a face to it.

26:08 Deborah – Ah, I’ve never thought about that before, but that is an interesting idea to be able to do that.

26:15 Sue – Yeah, I mean, I have a friend and my friend and I send them together and take the other person’s because we raised them the same way. And we’ve got the same, general ideas about how we want the fed, how we want them taken care of, what’s going into them and so then when they come back, yes, we just swap.

26:41 Deborah – Okay, so that is an option for those people who say that they could never eat an animal that they knew when it was alive. Because I know people say that

26:53 Sue – I think the other things that people are interested in knowing about kinders or the things that people ask the most about are how they do in various climates. Yeah, I think people are always worried about where they live. I can say that goats in general do great in any climate. The hardest thing for goats, I think, is wet climates because of the parasites and their feet. If you’re in an area that gets a lot of rain, make sure you have a nice dry spot for your goats to go all the time. But as far as cold weather, they do fantastic as long as they have good shelter. The one thing that I tell anyone that’s interested in getting goats is find a good mentor. Find someone that lives near you that can help you if you have a question, have a concern. I’ve been really lucky with the person that I originally got goats from giving me tons of good advice and always being run on hand for me. And I’ve also met some great goat people around me that have different breeds of goats but they’re so willing to help with any questions or concerns I have. And it’s probably saved some of my goats’ lives at times. That’s one of my first recommendations to people. And the other things, kind of general things, like stay on top of your health. It’s easier to keep a goat healthy than to make it healthy once it’s sick. So I always remind people to just look at your goats every day. If there’s something that seems a little bit off figure it out right away, instead of waiting until your goat is really sick, And then as far as kinders go, I mean, I think that the things that people are usually most interested in besides, how well they do is how many babies they have. People love the idea of having lots of babies, but getting goats that have four or five babies on a regular basis isn’t always a blessing. And sometimes you do have to end up having to help feed babies, they grow more slowly than if you have two or three and it’s just harder on your doe. So trying to find goats that have a whole litter might not be the best idea,

29:33 Deborah – Yeah, we used to think that and like everybody, I think everybody thinks the idea of having 4-5 babies is just so exciting. And, we thought it was really cool in the beginning, too. And now that we’ve had five sets of quintuplets and I don’t even know how many quads we’ve had, I’m over it. Yeah, so over it. And I’m just like, please, no. Like five times there. I have thought a doe looked very pregnant when she was only two months after being bred and all five times it’s because she had quintuplets, because normally they don’t look even remotely, they don’t look like they are pregnant at all until 3-4 months, maybe even five, like some of them could hide it really well. And now I’m just, like no. But you do figure out it is genetic. And so, like every single one of my goats that has ever had quintuplets all goes back to this one buck. When I bought him his mom had never had more than four. However, a couple years after I bought him, she had six.

30:41 Sue – Oh, my gosh.

30:42 Deborah – So that’s where it comes from. It all goes back to him. And, at this point, I have basically retired all but one doe that has him, within the last couple of generations. Because one time it was actually a great granddaughter of his. I’m like, What are you doing having 5!

31:10 Sue – Oh my gosh. I know. Well it takes a lot out of your girls, too.

31:14 Deborah – Yes, it does. 

31:17 Sue – They can do that but if you’re breeding every year or even every other year you have to figure after four freshinnings, they’ve already had 20 babies. Even the best goat is going to start breaking down at some point, right?

31:36 Deborah – Yeah. And two of the does that had the quints did it twice.

31:42 Sue – Oh, my gosh.

31:43 Deborah – And it was a mother/daughter and the mother, the second time she had quints because she was having quads in between her quints. The second time she had quints she actually died from a ruptured uterus.

Sue – Oh, because it’s just so stretched out.

32:00 Deborah – Yeah, and she was nine years old when she did that, Which normally breeding a nine year old, is not a big deal. Like I usually breed until they’re 10 and they’re fine. Her daughter had quintuplets, when she was 4-5 and I was not going to breed her the following year because I’m like, Okay, I cannot trust you. She already had quads a couple times, and then she had quints, and like, okay, I’m giving you a year off. And unfortunately, I was traveling and because of mistakes made when I was out of town, she wound up pregnant again and had five again. And her body condition just plummeted. I just took two of them at birth and was like, you are being bottle fed. So she only has to feed three. But her body condition, I mean, I just retired her.

Sue – Yeah, because at that point, I mean, you take babies after they’re born but they’ve spent the time growing five babies in their belly for five months. So it’s going to be hard on them no matter what. I have one that had quads almost every single time. And even quads took a lot of her. She’s a big old girl, has beautiful babies, but I think she’s coming nine years old. And I decided you had more babies than most of my other girls have,you have to retire because it is. It’s just a lot on their body. So yeah. So that’s one of the things that I definitely don’t encourage. Yeah, we’ll try to find lines that have tons of babies. And don’t try to buy the spottiest goats. Our goats come in all different colors so you’ll see a lot of moon spots. But the most colorful goats always have plain babies. So don’t base your decision on that. It’s fun seeing different colors. But go for good confirmation and good udders. One other thing I did want to mention before we go is the benefit of having goats like ours. I know Nigerians and kinder goats have really high butterfat, and one of the things that that translates into is really good cheese. So cheese makers buy our goats. I know I have a friend that has Nubians and Kinders and her Nubians produce about half the amount of cheese per pound that her kinders do.

34:32 Deborah – So yeah, I noticed the same thing when I had, LaManchas, was that, my Nigerians, if I would make cheese with pure LaMancha milk that I would get half as much cheese as I did if I used a gallon of the Nigerian milk. And I’ve heard people, I know somebody that raised Nigerians and Alpine’s. And she said the same thing. 

34:57 Sue – Yeah so, really, I mean, if you’re in it for the cheese, the quantities of milk don’t matter. I mean, if you’re getting this same amount with half the milk and your goats produce half the milk, but also cost only half the amount to feed you’re winning in the end. Because you’re coming out with the same amount of cheese at the end of the process for half of everything. It is really a good deal. Yeah. So you know, I think if people are interested in finding out more information about kinder goats, they can go to our website. It’s We also have evaluation programs, we have quite a few goats on milk tests. You can see our milk test results there and see the butterfat protein amounts on our website. We do have sanctioned shows throughout the country, and we just got a great bunch of people that own kinder goats. Goat people are the best people in the world, and kinder goat owners are so encouraging. They’re so helpful to one another and it feels like a big family. So you’re not just getting goats, you’re getting a whole community of support and friendship. We’ve got a classified page and we do on our website have a link to breeders that choose to be advertised on our website. There’s a map and you can click on the various breeders and go to their web sites. And we also have a link to shows. We do an online show every year, which is really fun. And it’s a great way for people to learn about conformation and to compare, you know, kinder goats to the breed standard and learn more about them that way.

36:53 Deborah – Well, this has been so much fun talking about these goats, and like I said, I’d probably have kinders if I discovered them first because I love the ears. The ears, they’re so cute, and then you get all the benefits that you get with the Nigerians, plus the cute ears. So, like the ears are just the icing on the cake. Yes. I think that they

37:14 Sue – Yes, I think that they are a really fun goat. I mean, they definitely are the perfect goat for me. I feel like they’re the best of both worlds. Between the full size goats, the mini goats they are yeah, the perfect combination. And like I said in the past, when you’re ready for babies, I am gonna load up my car and make you a true believer in kinder goats.

37:42 Deborah – And this is truly dangerous because I know you live, like, right up the road in Wisconsin from me..

37:51 Sue – If you find some in your yard at some point, don’t be surprised.

37:58 Deborah – Well, thank you so much. This has been a lot of fun, and maybe we’ll do it again sometime..

38:03 Sue – Awesome! That would be great. Thank you. I love the podcast and can’t wait to see what comes next.

38:07 Deborah – Okay, Great. Thanks!

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Kinder buck.

Kinder does.

Kinder kid.

Kinder goats were developed in 1987 by the Showalter family who crossed a Nubian doe with a Pygmy buck. The breed was developed as a dual-purpose breed for milk and meat. Kids usually are born weighing 4 or 5 pounds and grow rapidly at a rate of about 7 pounds per month.

Recently, 6-month-old and 14 month old Kinder wethers were slaughtered weighing about 50 and 80 pounds respectively, with a carcass weight of 30 and 80 pounds respectively, resulting in a 60-63 dressing percentage. It is possible for a Kinder doe weighing about 115 pounds to produce five kids, who in 14 months can weigh 80 pounds each and dress out at 50 pounds, thereby producing 250 pounds of meat each year.


Kinder Goat Breeders Association

Pictures of Kinders are from Harmony Hill Goat Farm, Hallsville, Missouri.

Kinder Goat Association Web page:


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6 Things to Love About Kinder Goats

Reading Time: 5minutes

By Kendra Rudd Shatswell

Kinder goats are a relatively new, uncommon goat, but this American breed is becoming increasingly popular, especially among homesteaders and small farmers. A Kinder — pronounced with a short “i” — is the registered offspring of a registered Pygmy goat and registered American or Purebred Nubian goat. Each subsequent generation is bred Kinder to Kinder. The Kinder Goat Breeders Association trademarks the Kinder breed. What makes Kinder goats so great? In short, these goats are incredibly versatile and productive!  


The Kinder is a mid-sized animal, making it easier to handle and fence than a typical full-sized dairy or meat goat. Does average 115 pounds and bucks about 135. Height can vary quite a bit depending on genetics, but the average Kinder doe is between 23-25” and the average buck between 24-26”. Since they are stockier animals, they are not prone to jumping fences, something most Kinder goat folks are quite happy about. This size is incredibly efficient and lends to Kinders producing an excellent percentage of their body weight in milk, meat, and pounds of kids raised. 



The Kinder is dual-purpose, meaning it is raised for both milk and meat and shares characteristics of both its Nubian and Pygmy ancestors. The ideal Kinder grows quickly even though the average kid is only about five pounds at birth. Kids often gain between 0.3 and 0.4lb a day or about 10 pounds a month. At auction, breeders report that a quality 40-80lb Kinder kid will fetch similar prices as meat breed kids. 

These goats typically reach 70% of their adult weight by one year of age. This is especially helpful when it comes to retaining replacement doelings for breeding or processing young animals. Many breeders have quick enough growth rates that does are bred to freshen as yearlings.  


Ideal Kinders have excellent meat to bone ratio since their bone is medium, not coarse and heavy, nor fine and flat. Meat yield has many factors, of course, but the available data shows Kinder goats averaging a 51% hanging weight and between 30% and 40% take-home weight. Hanging weight percentages of up to 60% have been reported. 


Kinder does are productive dairy animals, especially for their size and meat qualities. Like meat yield, milk yield depends on many factors but Kinder does usually produce from four to seven pounds of milk on twice-a-day milking, with an average of about five pounds a day for a mature doe. Many breeders opt for once-a-day milking and letting kids nurse the other 10 to 12 hours. Thanks to her Nubian and Pygmy goat heritage, the Kinder doe’s milk often boasts high butterfat. According to the KGBA, the 2020 butterfat average for Kinders on milk test was 6.25%. High butterfat makes Kinder milk much-loved by cheesemakers across the country. Kinder folks report as much as three times the expected yield on soft cheeses like cream cheese and over a pound yield of hard cheese per gallon of milk. That sweet, creamy milk is tasty for fresh drinking and recipes, too!  



What can be better than one cute Kinder kid? Two or three or four cute Kinder kids! Kinder breeders say their goats average at least twins but triplets and even quads are not uncommon. There have even been a few reports of sextuplets. The current record for the most live kids born to a doe was 28 in just seven freshenings! It is important to point out that multiples will greatly increase the doe’s nutrient requirements during gestation and lactation. Many breeders, with Kinder does kidding triplets or more, supplement the kids with bottles while dam-raising or pull one or more kid to bottle feed exclusively. 



Kinders are typically quiet, gentle goats. Many of those who milk Kinders praise the does’ work ethic and stand manners. Breeders are also quick to point out that the bucks are among the easiest to handle, even during rut. Since they are usually docile and conveniently sized, Kinders make excellent 4-H and FFA animals. The breed is a favorite for youth trail courses, showmanship, and agility courses. More than one breeder uses sweet, playful Kinder kids in goat yoga classes, goat hikes, or goat grams. Others utilize their Kinder goats as pack animals. Of course, each goat has a unique personality that may or may not be “typical,” and management affects manners. 


Those Ears 

What makes these amazing goats even better? An extra dose of cute! The Kinder breed standard states the ideal Kinder ears are “long and wide, resting below the horizontal” — this ear type is often referred to as an “airplane” ear. Extra-long ears might start folding on young kids, so some breeders opt to gently correct it with an ear “splint” of lightweight cardboard to encourage it to flatten out.  Ears that start out horizontal but begin drooping in the middle are nicknamed the “flying nun” style. Occasionally, ears crop out asymmetrical — one sticks straight out, and one flops downward, giving the goat a quizzical appearance. No matter the type, Kinder ears are easy to distinguish and undeniably adorable.  


There are plenty of things to love about this unique breed!  


KENDRA RUDD SHATSWELL and her husband live on a farm
in the beautiful Arkansas Ozarks, where she raises Kinder goats and
Miniature LaManchas. She is a member of the KGBA and MDGA
and enjoys writing about farm life and goats on Facebook and

Originally published in the September/October 2021 issue of Goat Journal and regularly vetted for accuracy.


By Kathleen Sanderson

Issue #95 • September/October, 2005

I have had dairy goats for most of the last 20 years or so and have raised almost every standard breed. But when my grandmother, my youngest daughter, and I moved to a bare one-acre lot near Klamath Falls, Oregon, I decided it was time to look at the smaller breeds. We wouldn’t have room for pasture, so all feed would have to be purchased. Smaller goats eat less than their full-sized counterparts, and so would cost less to keep. I would be able to keep more of them in a smaller area. Also, as I get older, the advantages of smaller animals to care for become more and more obvious.

Pygmies were immediately ruled out because our primary need was milk and, while pygmies can be milked, they are really not dairy goats. I looked into Nigerian Dwarfs, but they are still somewhat in the exotic category and seem to be more expensive than the standard breeds. When I read about Kinder goats (pronounced with a short ‘i’ sound, as in the German word for children), I knew I’d found what we were looking for. A new breed, started only about 20 years ago, they are dual-purpose, good for both milk and meat, and approximately in the middle between their Pygmy and Nubian ancestors in size.

Mazola, one of the author's Kinder does. She has been recently milked, but you can still see that she has decent sized teats for milking.
Mazola, one of the author’s Kinder does. She has been recently milked, but you can still see that she has decent sized teats for milking.

There are enough breeders already, so that Kinders have their own classes in some goat shows making them fairly available almost anywhere. It is also possible to start your own line of Kinders by crossing a registered Pygmy buck with a registered purebred Nubian doe.

I chose to find a breeder, as we are limited on the number of animals we can keep on such a small place. I looked through the breeders listed at the Kinder Goat Breeders Association (KGBA) website, and found someone fairy close to home.

Dawn Leaming has been raising Kinders for a number of years, and after several e-mails, my daughter and I made the six-hour trip down to her place near Nevada City, California, on a hot July day. We came home through a raging thunderstorm with a five-year-old milker, twin doe kids, a little buck, and a wether to keep him company.

The kids were still on bottles, and settled in quickly, but Mazola, the milker, was heartbroken at being separated from her pen-mates, and bawled loudly for hours on end at first. She still thinks I ought to live in the goat pen with her, and cries when I go back up to the house. But the noise doesn’t last very long—and thankfully, our neighbors seemed more amused than bothered by the racket.

However, I learned my lesson. If I purchase an adult doe again, I will also purchase one of her pen-mates, if possible.

I was really surprised at how quickly Mazola decided I was her friend. Within days (after some struggles at milking time, as I was not the person who was “supposed” to be milking her) she was nuzzling up to me while I gave the babies their bottles. These are very friendly, affectionate goats and really not all that noisy once they’ve settled in.

High quality milk

So far, I haven’t found any serious downside to these little goats. Oh, if I take up goat-packing, they might not be able to carry as much as the big guys, and they don’t give as much milk in sheer quantity as some larger does, but what they do give is the best quality milk I’ve ever had. The butterfat is high, ranging from around 5½ to over 7 percent. Milk solids are also high, making for excellent cheese yields. A gallon of milk from one of the larger breeds of goat, or from a cow, will usually yield around a pound to a pound and a half of cheese, but a gallon of Kinder milk will yield about twice that.

The flavor of the milk is excellent, and it seems to have good keeping quality. Of course, it’s really important to follow good dairy practice in cleaning your equipment, so you don’t end up with milkstone deposits. I only have one milker right now, and she peaked at two quarts a day and was holding steady months later at a little over a quart a day, so I haven’t had a lot of surplus milk to play with yet, but I have made kefir cheese and some yogurt.

Thunder, the brown and white buck, and Lightning, the wether who keeps him company. Goats are herd animals and don't do well if kept alone.
Thunder, the brown and white buck, and Lightning, the wether who keeps him company. Goats are herd animals and don’t do well if kept alone.

I keep two jars of kefir going all the time and have found that a couple of jars of kefir, let sit for 24 hours in a clean muslin cloth, makes a nice sour soft cheese that is excellent with some herbs and garlic powder added to it.

The yogurt made from Kinder milk is also excellent. It isn’t quite as thick as store-bought, which has all kinds of thickeners added to it, but it is thicker than the yogurt I’d made in the past from Alpine or Nubian milk.

When I got Nubians for the first time several years ago, I thought their milk was much better than the milk of the other breeds of goats I’d raised. But the Kinder milk is even better than the Nubian milk was and it has seemed to keep its quality clear through the lactation, even with the stress of moving to a new home and several feed changes.

My little doe gives enough milk for us for kefir and a little cheese, but many Kinder does give three or four quarts of milk a day right through their lactation. There are a few Kinder does who average over a gallon of milk a day.

Now, I realize that many Alpines, Saanans, Toggs, LaManchas, and Nubians give much more milk than that. There are standard-breed goats who average over two gallons of milk a day, and some record breakers that give a lot more than that. This is good if you are selling milk, or have some other use for it. You can use goat milk as an addition to the feed of many other animals. However, I’m a very practical person, and I don’t want to be feeding animals who are producing more than we can use. Goats that give two or three quarts of rich milk each day are very practical animals for most people.

Breed year-round

One advantage Kinders have is that they will breed year-round. The Northern European breeds of goats are all seasonal breeders, but goats from the tropics, such as the Nubians and Pygmies, will breed at any time of the year. This means that you can breed one doe to kid in the spring and milk through the summer, fall, and early winter. Then breed the other doe in April or May for a winter supply of milk. They’ll overlap a little bit, but you can make cheese with the surplus. It’s always nice to have a home supply of milk. However, you should plan your breeding so you don’t have kids being born during really cold weather.

Easy-milking teats

As I started looking for goats to buy, I was concerned about teat size. I knew that Pygmies normally have small teats and are no fun to milk. Some of the Nubians I’d had were quite easy to milk, but there were a couple of them with tiny teats. I have a little arthritis and have carpal tunnel in both wrists, so easy milking was important for me to look for.

Thankfully, Dawn Leaming is breeding for easy-milking goats. Mazola is very easy to milk with her hand-sized teats, and the doe kids, Lark and Linnet, already look like they will have easy-to-grasp teats when they come into milk in a year or so. My low milk pail with a half-moon cover fits nicely under Mazola’s udder. From what I’ve heard, owners of Pygmies and Nigerians sometimes have trouble getting a milk pail underneath their little goats.

Good meat animals

The Costco carport goat shelter. Fencing is 'combi' cattle panels, which have smaller holes at the bottom.
The Costco carport goat shelter. Fencing is “combi” cattle panels, which have smaller holes at the bottom.

Kinders are also useful meat animals. I haven’t butchered any of mine yet, but people who do butcher surplus animals are reporting dress out percentages of 60 percent or higher. A six-to-eight month old kid weighing 50 pounds should dress out to 30 pounds. A 14-month-old wether weighing 80 pounds should dress out to about 50 pounds, a dressing percentage of nearly 63 percent.

I plan to save and tan the hides and feed the offal to my dog as part of a “natural” diet for him. So there will be very little waste of any kind.

Having some experience with butchering larger animals such as moose and caribou from my years living in Alaska, I know that when butchering time does come here, I’ll be thankful these guys aren’t huge.

Since Kinder does have a high kidding percentage—with whole herds averaging 300 percent or higher, and individual does often having quads, quints, or even sextuplets—and the kids have a very high rate of growth (often as high as Boer kids), you can see that the potential for meat production from Kinders is very high. One 115-pound doe can easily produce 150 pounds of meat, or more, in 14 months. And by the time you butcher the first batch, she’ll have kidded again and be raising another batch of kids.

Two or three Kinder does, some poultry, and maybe a few meat rabbits can easily provide all the dairy products, meat, and eggs most families can use, all on a very small piece of land.

Feed efficiency

Their feed efficiency is good, also. They can milk as well as their Nubian ancestors, but because they are smaller-bodied, they need less feed. Mazola was getting fat while eating grass hay and about two pounds of grain a day, and giving two quarts of milk a day. I had to cut her grain by half to keep her from getting too fat. Now I’m feeding the does alfalfa pellets, about half a pound of COB (corn, oats, and barley mixed with molasses) each, and a handful of sunflower seeds each day, and they are all in good flesh, even well into the winter.

They are also getting a loose salt/mineral mix (I’m using one meant for cattle, as goats need more copper than sheep do), and a supplement meant for horses that contains selenium and Vitamin E. Some breeders use Purina Goat Chow, but my goats are doing well on COB, and I know what’s in the COB.

Hardy and long-lived

Linnet (left) and her twin sister, Lark, trying to see what I'm doing, and Mazola, watching the buck's antics next door. Notice how broad-chested these girls are
Linnet (left) and her twin sister, Lark, trying to see what I’m doing, and Mazola, watching the buck’s antics next door. Notice how broad-chested these girls are.

In addition to all their other advantages, Kinders seem to be hardy, healthy, and long-lived. Pat Showalter, of Zederkamm Kinders in Snohomish, Washington, had one of her original Kinder does born in 1986, still going strong in 2001 at age 15. They also don’t seem to need their hooves trimmed quite as often as some breeds, though this important chore still can’t be neglected. If they are going to stay productive for as long as possible, they need sound legs, and letting their hooves get overgrown can damage their legs.

Easier to fence

Another advantage is that it is easier to fence them. The consensus among breeders is that, while once in a great while a Kinder will be a fence-jumper (and this usually stops after they kid for the first time), very few will jump out of a cattle panel fence. I use combi cattle panels turned upside down for my goat pens, so the smaller holes are at the bottom. This keeps young kids from escaping, usually. I cut out a section of wire in each pen, so the goats could reach through to their water buckets on the outside of the pens, where the water stays cleaner, and the buckets are less likely to get knocked over.

My two doe kids discovered that when the water got low in the buckets, they could knock them over and then squeeze through the holes. The smaller of the twins can still do this, so I have to watch her when I’m cleaning and refilling their water bucket. She doesn’t go anyplace, and right now there isn’t anything she can damage while she’s out, but pretty soon I’ll be planting the garden again, so I hope she outgrows the hole quickly.

Of all the breeds of goats I’ve had over the years, Kinders are proving to be my favorite by far, and I plan to never be without at least a few of them around.


For more information, including milk records and a list of some Kinder goat breeders, go to:

There is also a Yahoogroups list for people who have, or are interested in, Kinder goats at: There are over one hundred members, and a lot of good advice and information from people with years of experience. It’s also a good place to find breeders who aren’t listed on the association website.

The following recipes are taken from Goats Produce Too, The Udder Real Thing, Volume 2, by Mary Jane Toth, 2833 N. Lewis Road, Coleman, Michigan 48618.

Plain goat milk yogurt

2 qts. goat milk
1 cup powdered milk (optional, and not really necessary with Kinder goat milk)
2 tsp. plain cultured yogurt
clean canning jars, pint or quart

Warm milk to 115 degrees. Stir in powdered milk if desired. Add 2 tsp. of cultured yogurt. Mix well and pour into clean jars. Place filled jars into a roaster or kettle. Fill the roaster or pan with hot tap water up to the neck of the jars. Cover and set in a warm place to incubate for 6-8 hours. Do not disturb during incubation. Yogurt will thicken when ready. When making plain yogurt, save some to use as a culture for your next batch. Keep refrigerated.

French style chevre

5 qts. whole goat milk
½ cup cultured buttermilk
2 Tbsp. diluted rennet (dilution = 3 drops liquid rennet into 1/3 cup cool water. Do not use rennet tablets from the grocery store.)

Warm milk to 80 degrees. Stir in buttermilk. Mix well. Add 2 Tbsp. of diluted rennet mixture. Stir well and cover. Let set at room temperature for 8-12 hours. Cheese is ready to drain when it looks like thickened yogurt. Curds may have a thin layer of whey floating on top.

Only use muslin cheesecloth (not the gauzy stuff called cheesecloth) or pillowcase cloth to drain. Line a large bowl or pan with cloth. Pour curds into center of cloth. Gather up corners of cloth and hang to drain 6-8 hours.

When dripping has stopped, cheese is ready. It should be the consistency of cream cheese. To speed up draining, scrape the sides of the bag towards the center several times during the draining process.

This cheese is soft and mild. It can be seasoned with a variety of herbs or spices. Or, use it as a substitute for cream cheese in other recipes. The cheese keeps well, refrigerated, for two weeks.

Freeze unseasoned, in one pound packages. Keeps well frozen for 6 months. Do not freeze seasoned cheeses. Herbs and spices will lose their potency and flavor. Thaw at room temperature. Season after thawing. (One pound = two cups)

Wrap well before freezing, or use heavy freezer bags.


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The Kinder goat is relatively a new breed of domestic goat developed in 1985. The breed was originated from a cross between a Pygmy goat and a Nubian goat. It was developed at Zederkamm Farm in Snohomish, Washington, United States.

The Kinder goat breed began in the late summer of 1985, when Nubian buck of the Zederkamm Farm died leaving two Nubian does without a mate. There were Pygmy goats at the farm, and they didn’t want to take the does to another farm to be bred.

Rather the Nubian does were bred with their Pygmy buck. The Nubian does were kept to the Pygmy buck’s device, and the buck accomplished the two successful breedings.

The breeding was successful through using log sections and sloping land to reach the correct height. And the first three Kinder goats were born on 30 June and 4 July 1986, all were females/does. And next year, the first Kinder buck was born.

There is a breeders association named the Kinder Goat Breeders Association. And there were about 3000 Kinder goats registered with the Kinder Goat Breeders Association (as of 7 April 2009). Read more information about the Kinder goat below.

Kinder Goat Characteristics

Kinder goat is a medium sized goat breed. There are many color varieties of this breed. The minimum height of both bucks and does is 20 inches (51 cm). And the maximum height for the bucks is 28 (71 cm) inches and 26 (66 cm) inches for does.

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Average body weight of a mature buck is about 61-68 kg, and the does on average weight about 52-57 kg. Photo from Wikipedia.


It is a dual-purpose breed. It is suitable for both meat and milk production.

Special Considerations

The Kinder goats are very alert, productive and good-natured goat breed. The milk of this breed has a high butterfat content, sometimes having more than seven percent butterfat. Their milk also has higher amounts of milk solids, yielding larger amounts of cheese.

The does are highly prolific, and they can be bred throughout the year. They are noted for frequently having multiple births. Most often triplets, quadruplets and even quintuplets are common in Kinders.

Despite being a small to medium sized breed, the Kinder goats are generally more muscular than a full size dairy goat. And they often yield dressing percentages over 60 percent. Review full breed profile of this breed in the following table.

Breed NameKinder
Other NameNone
Breed PurposeDual purpose. Meat & Milk
Breed SizeMedium
BuckAbout 61 to 68 kg
DoeAbout 52 to 57 kg
Climate ToleranceAll Climates
Coat ColorVarious
Good for Stall FedNot sure
Country/Place of OriginUnited States

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