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Faith Baptist Theological Seminary
Third Generation Christians
Robert G. Delnay, Th.D.
“And also all that generation were gathered unto their fathers; and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the Lord, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel” Joshua 2:10.
Regarding those who may be described as third generation Christians, they appear that way not so much by numerical succession as by attitude. A fifth generation believer may maintain the freshness of his salvation and discovery. A second generation believer may leave the convictions of his parents, take everything for granted, and thereby compress decades of Christian experience into a fraction of a lifetime.
A chief lesson of the past is that nothing stays put. The pyramids of Egypt are still there, but the facing blocks are long gone. The Puritan experiment in New England the Bible commonwealth, lasted only about a generation. After only thirty years they found it necessary to accept the Halfway Covenant; there simply were not enough church members to provide the voters to represent the people in the colony.
Harvard was founded to train ministers for New England, but it cooled in two generations, and Yale cooled in about one generation. Andover Seminary was founded in 1807, with strong safeguards and two statements for faculty and board members to sign. The seminary had two boards, Trustees to set policy, and Overseers to keep an eye on the Trustees. Every five years all board and faculty members signed the doctrinal statement and the Westminster Confession. Yet in only six decades teachers were teaching outright Liberalism.
Along the way of that aging progress in both individuals and in institutions, we may note certain attitudes that believers have toward their tenets and positions. These attitudes seem in general to change according to the time that the believer has been in the faith.
First Generation Christians
The newly-converted believer tends to show a convert’s zeal. He has a sense of deliverance, a strong awareness of the power of the cross to free him from his past. He has a keen sense of what he came from and of the wonder of what Christ did for him.
Those attitudes and awarenesses carry over into group life. Young churches are often made up of new believers, and as a body the young church often shows a notable joy and enthusiasm. The members are more aware of the issues surrounding salvation and the founding of the church.
The newly converted are more aware of the costs of leaving the world and of following Christ. It was a crisis to break from friends and sometimes from family. It costs for a newly-gathered church to go from living room to storefront to a building program. The charter members never forget what it was like. In the case of a new church coming out of a convention, similar costs had to be paid. Years ago a seasoned pastor told of speaking to a Baptist associational meeting in Indiana. He pressed the pastors to leave their apostate convention. He remembered that some forty-five pastors did just that, leaving their retirement, and undertaking to pull their churches out into the new Association. Such costs tend to etch themselves on the memory of those who paid them.
Second Generation Christians
The pattern is not quite the same for those saved in a newly-Christian home. The reality of salvation is compelling, and the changes in mom and dad may still be there to be seen.
The children may well remember what things were like before Christ came in. Such people grow up with a sense of security, of love in the home, of order, of church in the weekly schedule, of bills being paid, and of a measure of faithfulness to one another
The second generation Christian has a heritage to preserve. To the extent that he takes the things of Christ seriously, he tends to do what his parents did. He is dimly aware that he has a faith to pass on to his own children. He may accept the costs of discipleship and even give himself for vocational Christian service; but the tang is not the same as it was for his parents. A similar pattern reveals itself in churches and institutions. The young members know something of the cost that someone had to pay, so that the church might be free and vital. They are aware of the value of the Christian life as well as that of the organization in keeping them from the evils their parents had been delivered from. Church matters to them; the association matters likewise. They still know something of what the church and perhaps the association cost.
During the second generation, however, we may note a certain tolerance that comes with the confidence that they have in themselves and in their church. Since the situation is basically so good, they need not be fussy about details. Specifics of personal separation begin to become options. Andover Seminary, for all its safeguards, began to mellow in four decades, when the trustees ruled that adjunct faculty need not be compelled to sign the doctrinal statement. Second generation churches tend to accept the easy propaganda that the old taboos were evidence of legalism.
Third Generation Christians
To the third generation believer, all is familiar. He has the shelter and the security of a Christian home, and he probably receives Christ in Sunday school. He has Christian friends, perhaps from church to day care to Christian camp to graduation. He knows dozens of verses and can pray fluently. He may show success as a soul-winner. He is sheltered from the world until he confronts it on the tube or in the neighborhood. In his teen years he goes through a crisis of rebellion and questioning; and if he survives, he rejoins the youth group and perhaps goes on to Christian higher education. His pattern changes, however. He does not take the old commitments so seriously. Personal separation is more from habit than from devotion to Christ. He prepares for a life of comfortable affluence.
At that point, familiarity breeds tolerance, whether in one’s personal life or in the corporate. The old positions now become negotiable. Personal separation is a matter of preference, no longer of devotion. The church doctrinal statement becomes a set of loose guidelines. The association’s values and bylaws, hammered out after hard experience, are replaced by others, more pragmatic, and its preaching becomes calm. It becomes important to keep up with the times, and the moves away from the founding purpose seem to pass unnoticed. As Northwestern Schools went through the transitions of the 1950’s, closing the Bible college and the seminary, the word was, “This is what Dr. Riley would have done had he lived.” Unlikely that he would have, but a predictable justification.
Fuller Seminary showed how the process can be accelerated. Marsden’s informative book Reforming Fundamentalism tells how Charles E. Fuller and Harold Ockenga put the seminary together in 1947. They began with a faculty of near-Fundamentalists. In just fifteen years the school was deeply split between its second-generation-type and third-generation-type faculty, leading to the crisis of December, 1962, to control by the radicals, and to the profound regrets of its founder, Charles E. Fuller.
It is a matter of attitude, not of numerical sequence. In the third generation the importance of deliverance and of the founding issues gets less and less. With that shift in people’s attitudes, they take their families and churches the more casually. For the church or the association, one would think that the new members would preserve the freshness and zeal. If however the new members take on the attitudes of those already there, history is going to repeat itself. Despite rotating the members, the third generation will have brought about the end of the founders’ dream.
Does history have to repeat itself, or is there a way to arrest the process? It looks as if interrupting the process will have to come along two lines. First, those who would arrest the process will have to do a serious ministry of teaching history. If the coming generation does not know the past, it will have little basis on which to appraise or preserve anything. Yet when seminaries have recently updated their curricula, the history courses were among the first to be streamlined out.
The second line has to do with motivating, with preaching such a walk with God that the young will have some reason beyond their own pleasure for doing God’s work, even when it costs them. We must offer something more substantial than fun. We must make the Word so vital that they will not repeat the patterns of those who outlived Joshua and the generation who entered the land. If we fail to teach and to motivate, let us not be surprised at the spiritual chill of our young and at the subversion of our institutions. If we are to reverse history, we will not reverse it in the easy drift of events.
Generations Christian Church
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Ardy and I have been attending Generations for more than 20 years and love it! The church is more than the facilities (which are great), it is the people.
So many have said that when they first walked in the door, they knew this was their church. They weren't sure just what it was, but I think it is the spirit you hear and feel in the Gathering before and after services. People genuinely love each other and love being here.
But the church is more than great fellowship. It is a place to worship and learn the word of God with other believers. From the music which is uplifting and brings smiles to everyone's faces to the preaching of the word and opportunities to grow as Christians in classes and small groups, we can grow in Christ and continue to do his will.
I met some good people and you probably will, too, if you visit. However, this church financially supports conversion therapy (led by untrained unlicensed people) and gives this group a platform to speak during services. There were also sermons addressing mental health but did not include the medical need for psychiatric medication or any pharmaceutical support in diagnosed individuals. I guess if you're cool with "pray the gay away" and "pray diagnosed mental health problems away" then you will like it the church just fine. In church on another day, they played a video of Kanye West singing gospel as a positive example of outreach, which I could not possibly take seriously. These are not the values I support so it is not the right place for me. Like I said, I had some nice friends and I miss them sometimes. The church is growing and they make a ton of money, so there's others that do like this place.
A warning to anyone who is thinking about attending this church:
I did "ministry" work with Pastor Johnny Scott during entire tenure as the Executive Pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel Orlando which eventually became Lifebridge Church. I was not a staff member. I was merely a deacon.
As Christians, we all mess up. We all make mistakes. God knows I have. What sets us apart is our repentenace of those mistakes. Johnny Scott inflicted, allowed and enabled spiritual abuse under his leadership and has never repented. He hasn't even acknowledged he was wrong in any way.
A quick summary: he is a dangerous leader and does harm to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He has no business leading a church due to his lack of repentance for past sins commited to the Bride of Christ. He is well aware of these sins.
Johnny is the most manipulative person I have ever met.
Him and I were very close for many years. So close, in fact, that I truly miss him. I miss who I thought he was, rather.
His populism among those he "befriends" is what gives him his power. He then uses that populism to build his own kingdom rather than Christ's kingdom. When his populism is endangered he manipulates hard. He is currently asking people to give "positive reviews" to his church on Google before Easter so that he can further his populism.
The minute anyone corrects him or begins to see his manipulative ways is when he will attempt to push them out of his inner-circle by spreading false rumors about them. If you work for him and disagree with him or challenge him, you will be fired. At Harvest Orlando he fired everyone when he was hired and immediately brought in his close family and friends to work under him -- those he could manipulate easily and help build his own kingdom.
I know for a fact and have evidence that he was about to be unanimously fired from Harvest Bible Chapel Orlando / Lifebridge Church by the elderboard before he quickly quit. Amazingly, he was able to get the Lead Pastor position at Generations Church without recommendation from those he previously worked with and under at Harvest/Lifebridge.
Please feel free to contact me through the interwebs if you have any questions and/or comments.
Stay away from this church until Johnny Scott has publicly repented of the abuse that occured under his leadership in the past.
It's a great place to learn about the Word of God and the basic principles to leading a long and happy life....they speak to their audience from word for word verses from the Bible. They offer communion weekly as well as of course they pass around an offering to of course raise funds for their staff and comtinued ministry efforts. #PositiveEnvironment
We have been going to this church for about 7 years now. We tried quite a few before then, but when we came here, the search was over. The Pastor is humble and gracious, kind, and his bible based message always goes right to the heart, and lifts my soul. : ) What is most striking about this church that separates it from most, is the focus on community outreach and helping those who surround us, our neighbors, that are in need. Endless possibilities for an amazing church family with serving opportunities, and bible study (Grow) groups. I have told so many people about this great church and always get great feedback. You_will_love_this_church!
Very friendly and humble place of God, Greg's sermons are amazingly detailed. best worship band I have heard ever. Great Family friendly church. I could go on for days about how great the children's ministry is! My Kids love It!!
I go to Generations not to get any acknowledgment from man. I go to Generations not to be noticed from man either. I go to Generations to hear. What God has to say to me. It's a audience of one. Religion will never save you. It's about a relationship with God. May people eat different food. So go eat what you like and if you don't like what they are serving.......... it's all about JESUS AND NOT YOU.
Very fun and upbeat place to praise the lord. I am not a highly religious person, I am still trying to learn and understand religion. This church is lavish, the band is very good and plays alternative rock religious music. I would recommend this church for people of all walks of life. Also they have an excellent child care program where your kids are entertained while the parents attend mass. Hope this helps you make a decision.
Have been to this church many times. People there are wonderful and welcoming. It is a very casual environment, tons of activities for kids, middle school and high school ages.
This church encourages people to get involved in their community and to help out neighbors. Tons of volunteer projects going on at all times, tons of core groups, activities, etc. This is the most active/alive church I have been to. The average age seems to be mid-30s.
If you are searching for a church to attend in this area, you would be cheating yourself if you didn't give this church a try.
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